Science Fiction, The Surveillance State and World War III

Cory Doctorow – science fiction author, journalist and co-editor of the blog Boing Boing – joins New America's Peter Singer and Passcode's Sara Sorcher to talk about society's "peak indifference" to the Surveillance State, what policies could stand in the way of a future Internet utopia, whether young people actually care about their privacy online, and what a future world war might look like in the 2020s.

Dan Kaufman, director of DARPA's Information Innovation Office, chats about funding "moonshot" projects to help the military beef up its digital defenses, the risks that come with the burgeoning Internet of Things, and what it's like to work in an office with robots in the lobby. 

This podcast is sponsored by Arizona State University.